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>> a power struggle erupts in washington on immigration - the keystone pipeline and obama care. also, is the white house having a change of heart about using ground troops against i.s.i.l., and chaos at a public hearing when a small town moves to ban all tobacco products. hello, i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this", those stories and more ahead.
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>> islamic state issued a defiant statement. >> president obama promised u.s. troops will not go into contract. general dempsey says... >> we are certainly considering it. >> executive action taken on immigration. >> this president goes uni laterally - he'll make the subject of immigration toxic for a decade. >> israel will not cooperate with the united nations probe to december's conflict in gaza. >> it is nothing more. >> u.s. citizens - many honoured for their work in the united states. >> f.i.f.a. in chaos. >> the man that investigated russia and qatar's world cup... >> accused f.i.f.a. of a cover up. >> made a mockery of the process. >> officials aiming to ban tobacco product in one town... >> this is a mockery of this town in front of the united
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states of america. >> the meeting ended 20 minutes in. >> you people make me sick we begin with a lame-duck congress under way as republicans prepare to be the majority in both houses next year, preparing for a new round of battles with president obama. the president continued his asian sweep with meetings in myanmar on thursday. in washington, senate majority leader in waiting, mitch mcconnell, said he was reserved on the moves on net neutrality and violence, and changes to immigration that could come as early as tuesday. >> i had naively hoped the president would look at the results of the election, and come to the political center and do business with us. i still hope he does at some point. the early signs are not good. >> in the house speaker john boehner said all options would be on the table. if the president used executive authority to allow as many as 5 million undocumented
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immigrants to stay and work without fear of being deported. >> we'll fight the president tooth and nail if he continues down the path. this is the wrong way to govern. >> and the fight over affordable care act is heating up again as republicans get new ammunition from a former obama consultant. for more i'm joined from los angeles by bill schneider, and professor at george mason university, and al jazeera political correspondent michael sure, good to see you both. bill, after the g.o.p. sweep last week, both parties talking about getting along, at least enough to pass legislation. i don't think anyone was surprised it took a week for both sides to head to the trenches, and get into a battle they are in. the rhetoric on immigration has heated up. >> yes, that truce lasted about a week. no one expected it to last very
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long. now immigration - things have escalated quickly. some republicans in the house threatening it shut down the federal government if the president issues an order allowing - that postpones or cancels the deportation of mean illegal immigrants. it is a serious threat, and can blow back in the face of the republicans. >> let listen to something that mitch mcconnell was asked. >> we will not shut the government down, threatening default on national debt. we will not shut the government down or threatening to default on national debt. >> the majority leader harry reid said that he may not buy it, so he asked the white house to delay an executive order on immigration until a spending bill passes to keep the government running.
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michael, can the president keep putting this off. this is a very important thing for his base. >> well, you know, this is not putting something off for months and months. he has a certain amount of finite period of time during which to put it off. if it makes political sense for him to put it off until senator reid says, they are able to get the budget and the spending bill passed, it makes sense for him to wait. what the congress can do is say listen, the executive order comes in, we will not pay for it or approve a spending bill. this is not going be one of president obama's put it off until a time indeterminate. this will happen until the next congress. >> these are the threats coming from the republican side. they will not pass bills allowing the spending that is necessary. >> let's go on to another topic, the house is scheduled to vote on the keystone guideline. it is expected to pass.
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the senate could pass as early as tuesday. it is one that harry reid refused to bring to a vote, now he is allowing it to help mary landrieu hold her seat in a run-off in december. she was the sponsor of the bill. if it doesn't pass, bill, won't it pass in january when the g.o.p. takes over. >> that's right, it will pass in january. they promised it's a tough piece of legislation. the administration says that this bill, the keystone pipeline is no big deal. the numbers of jobs created, a few thousand would be temporary jobs, and the extraction of the oil in canada will take place whether it takes place or not. that's where the damage comes from, the greenhouse gases. the president would like to say it's not a big deal, but it's a huge issue, particularly to the environmental community and mary
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landrieu. it's a symbolic issue to certain interests. >> as bill said, michael, not clear what the white house will do if congress approves the keystone pipeline. he's only vetoed two bills in his presidency. did you think keystone would be the third. >> he's vetoed two bills. he had one house of congress for a while, so he's had the white house and one house of congress. he hasn't had to do too much vetoing. they will start in ernst, and if you listening to josh ernst and the way he is looking at this, it seems he'll veto this. that's couple of things that the president said "you have to deep your eye on with this, with keystone", one is a nebraska supreme court ruling. the pipeline will go through nebraska. he said that that is one of the things he's waiting to hear on, as well as a state department study. it could be delay tactics, but
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things that the president takes clearly. >> 20% of americans support the pipeline. it will be a big issue going forward. now, moving on to obama care, the american people want obama care torn out - this is quote "root and branch", republicans have gotten upset and possibly others by a series of comments on the obama care bill that came out just this week. they were made by one of obama care's architects, a man named jonathan groouber, and he made the comments, one tape, at an academic conference 13 months ago. >> if it was written in a tortured way to make c.b.o. didn't store the mandate to taxes, then it dies. it's written to do that. lack of transparency is a huge political advantage, and basically, calls for stupidity of the american voter or whatever. basically that was critical for the past.
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>> he first apologised saying he was speaking off the cuff, and now he's saying there were more tapes on three other occasions. do groouber's comments about using deception to get obama care past, and calling the american voters stupid, put obama care in danger. >> they rally the critics of obama care, and will point the finger at this and use the sound byte 1,000 times. the fact is this is an academic economist who has contempt for politics. an arrogant economist. who heard of such a thing. he had contempt for politics, the information will distance itself, will to do damage, i don't think americans want to revisit the political process by which obama care passes five years ago. they move on, they may want things changed. i don't think they want the whole thing destroyed. the polls show americans are split on obama care. half the public wants is to be killed - a third want is to be killed, a third want it improved
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and revised and a third the way it is. that's a division, and it will continue for some time. >> is this a problem for the white house, this is a white house saying it would be transparent. groouber said if people understood obama care, it would never have passed. he said that the obama administration went further, lying about people keeping doctors and health care plans. >> some people do say that. we have to wait and see how it plays out. this is economists stupidity to have said these things. the republicans have to be careful what they wish for. obama care was not an issue they wanted to litigate against the election. it worked well. democrats didn't come out to vote against republicans to defend obama care, so the republicans have to be very careful about how hard they go after obama care.
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you may see this creep up, and the comments creep up in the next supreme court case, they this week said they'd hear, having to do with obama care. that's where you might see groouber matter. the republicans have to be careful, because it worked for them not talking about obama care too much. >> there has been mixed signals about how far they'lled go. >> returning to the fight against i.s.i.l. on thursday, the top military advisors said he'd consider deploying ground groups on complex missions to defeat i.s.i.l. in iraq. >> i'm not predicting at this point that i would recommend that those forces in mosul and along the border would need to be accompanied by u.s. force, but we are considering it. >> that possibility of a far riskier role comes with troubling news that i.s.i.l. and al qaeda may have put their differences aside and agreed to
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work together in syria. and as the obama administration is reviewing long-term strategy in syria, and whether it's possible to destroy i.s.i.l. without moving bashar al-assad from power. deputy secretary chuck hagel conceded fighting i.s.i.l. in syria is an uphill battle but denied there was change to u.s. policy afoot. >> there's no change, and no different direction. >> any hopes that i.s.i.l. leader abu bakr al-baghdadi was knocked out of commission following an air strike may have been dashed following an audio leak where someone claiming to be the leader calls for eruption of volcano of jihad. i'm joined by brandon reb, a former navy seal and author of e-book:
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he's the editor of special operations.com. good to have you with us. you have heard general dempsey saying that they will consider limited u.s. troops for complex missions in iraq. we have the head of the arms committee in the house. saying anything is dead on arrival if it doesn't include ground troops. do you think combat troops is necessary and is it inevitable that will happen? >> i think troops on the ground are necessary. not in a conventional sense. this is a clear issue where you have to use the special operations community to really solve this issue. you are not going to throw tanks and conventional communicates at
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the problem and expect a solution. it includes operational prep at the battlefield and the c.i.a. and jay sop developing the picture. it will take traditional army, special forces, the green berets working alongside their counterparts in the region, like the peshawar, to get it done. >> in your book, you break it down into four policy items. first, doing nothing at all, and the repercussions of not signing anything. second, one that looks like a full gulf war. >> third, operations in tandem with u.s. air power, and finally the use of mercenaries as a force to fight i.s.i.l. the best option in your opinion, is the special operations forces in conjunction with forces from those countries? >> i think that is the best option. i mean i.s.i.s. is really
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fighting a guerilla warfare campaign, and you need units schooled in that same philosophy. a big part of the pact that we dress is we need a clear strategic direction. we have a clear idea of what we are going do early on in afghanistan, and then it drifted into no man's land, same thing in iraq. we knew we'd go in. the situation we left in iraq really produced an opportunity for the group to grab a strong regional hold. >> what should the policy be, that objective be, exactly? >> well, we have to acknowledge that we are up against a radical ideology. so how do we defeat it at its - at the root? and you see an organization like i.s.i.s., that essentially is creating a popular most. they are recruiting from
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america, western europe. how do we deal with that. and, you know, that takes different ways of thinking about things. i think the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. it's time for new ideas, and to acknowledge that we are up against a rapid ideology. if we don't fix it at the root, we kill terrorists and bad guys until it goes on forever. we are talking about getting more troops in there. now we'll have more than 3,000. we have 50 in anbar province at an air base that, being an area where i.s.i.l. is most active. are you concerned the more we are dragged in, the greater the danger, that we'll see american casualties, and this will become what you were saying doing the same thing all over again.
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>> that's the big concern. we suggest things like a global advertising campaign to get out there, including social media, print advertising, television, digital advertising, to really combat this ideology that i.s.i.s. is promoting, and they are winning the social media war. >> they have effective propaganda. we have a tape coming out from the leader of i.s.i.s., calling the coalition terrified, weak and power theless. they have a pub -- powerless, they have a public relations active campaign, we tried it after 9/11, someone that tried do that, reaching to the muslim world. can we be effective when there were great divisions in the world? >> that's where it takes leadership. the u.s. can't go in there and solve the problem on their own.
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a coalition of western and muslim countries. it takes a clear strategic narrative. everyone that i ask, alternate strategic objective in that region, i get a different answer from anyone from a congressman to, you know, a journalist - nobody nose. when you have a -- nobody knows, when you have a situation where the plan is not known to everyone, it's like putting people on a soccer field and not telling them which way to run to score a goal. it is chaos, and you do not accomplish everything. >> again, the book:. >> brandon webb, a pleasure to have you with us. >> thank you for having me. >> now for more stories from around the world. we begin in israel where the
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government it said will refuse to cooperate with a united nations investigation into this summer's gaza war. members of the u.n. human rights council investigating human war crimes were denied passage through israel into gaza. israel accused the council of anti-israel by and a called the investigation a kangaroo court. >> i think that we are perfectly within our right to reject the mass car aid. we are open to honest commissions of inquiry, this is not the case. >> in september israel's military began an investigation into its own operations during the 50-day long war, including the bombing of a u.n. school that killed 17 people, on an attack on a beach killing four palestinian children. that investigation is ongoing. >> next to liberia, where a dramatic decrease on the spread of ebola led the president to lift a 3-month-long state of emergency. the libyan government announced
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that new cases are down. the president said while the fight against ebola was not over, sufficient progress has been made to sustain the fight against the virus. 3,000 liberians were killed in the outbreak of the the spread of the virus in guinea is slowing, but it is proceeding rapidly in sierra leone we end in new york city where christie's auction house sold a record-smashing 853 million worth of contemporary and post war art. in all, 80 pieces were sold with the top sellers being a pair of anxiety war hole works, featuring images of elvis presley and marlon brando, fetching 153 million between them. it was the fourth time the sale broke the record for the highest ever total in a single option.
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that is some of what is happening around the world. coming up, chaos in a massachusetts town thinking of banning the sale of tobacco products. is it a nannie state solution or commonsense. and the follow up to a story we brought you wednesday. why is a school in maryland taking religious holidays off the calendar. and harmeli aregawi is following top stories on the web. >> following cat-calling videos, a social experiment goes viral. the people in the video were lied to. it was one big hoax as always, we want to hear from you, let us know where you stand on the topics we discuss. tweet us @ajconsiderthis or leave a comment on our facebook page.
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a public hearing in massachusetts turned chaotic over the plan to ban the sale of
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tobacco products. >> i find smoking to be a disgusting habit. and i find the proposal to be more of a disgusting thing. >> if the board of health enacts the ban, it would be the most sweeping action taken in the united states. the three members are fed up with tobacco companies promoting cigarettes, bubble gum flavoured cigars and other products getting young people hooked. joining us to talk about the issue are people on the opposite side of the debate. the executive director, a former smoker and grandson of a tobacco company. we are joined by matthew feeney from the cato institute. good to have both of you with us. angry people in westminster. they don't want this, they argue it's a matter of personal
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freedom. business owners will suffer and people will go to nearby towns, why do you think this is a good idea? we live in complex time with complex problems. i think americans are vulnerable to oversimplify ideologies saying don't tax, the got is not your friend. people who attended the hearing, i think, tend to be of that ideological zealousness, and we need to think of it as a problem. when kids smoke, they do it young. nine out of 10 smokers in the united states got hooked before reaching the age of 19. maybe the ban of tobacco in the small town is a good thing.
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america was founded on the right of cities and towns govern themselves and be independent. for a town to ban smoking, it's fair. >> smoking kills and brings with it things that affect nonsmokers. is there a legitimate interest in banning tobacco product and shouldn't a town have the ability to do it. >> i think some products are harmful, cigarettes is not the only one, alcohol does, as does fatty food, junk food, and the think the local board has the authority to make the decision. i'm not a lawyer. i suspect it's the case. i wish they wouldn't. i can be an accused of ideology
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zealotry, but people should be allowed to do what they want, other than in imposing bans. >> patrick how far should governments go, when is it a nanny state, over reg ute lating and telling people what to do. if you consider one of the reports about the story, about tobacco products. they could have a role. >> not everything - i do want to have patrick respond to the nanny state question. how much do we want the government to get involved in our lives? >> well, i think what we are looking at here with phrases
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like the nanny state is right wing ideology. problems are complex. we need to look at every problem, case by case with its own issues, and tobacco is its own unique issue, we need more prague matrix, less -- prague matrix, less ideology. the town has the right to ban the state. at the national level it would go to the supreme court. we have 40 million americans addicted to nicotine and tobacco. the nicotine products the town wants to ban is e-cigarettes. all of which have nick so teen in them -- nicotine in them, most of them do. they are a gateway to tobacco, young people are finding them cool and fashionable. it's like jumping out of the fifth storey instead of the 10th. >> there's an argument about how big a gate way they are, and how
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dangerous. i assume that you don't think that governments should get that much involved in business, in regulating them and going this far. if the argument is that governments shouldn't regulate businesses that tightly, how far can they go. shouldn't they be able to ban smoking,less you are in your home? >> i think that private businesses should be allowed to gan smoking. i find smoking to be revoting, i don't like the smell tore to be around it. i think that private businesses should be the ones to decide to sell tobacco or whether they are permitted to allow it. having blanket bans is too excessive and it is an encroachment. i'm a little worried when people talk about tobacco. we have talk of this when it comes to sodas and saturated fat. that's a slope i don't want to go down. >> if we didn't regulate
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tobacco, we'd probably have smoking in bars and restaurants, and on airplanes, those bans did not come about voluntarily for the most part, and it's because there was a small group of people that said "we need to change and do things differently, we need a progressive view, and that's how we got smoke free bars and restaurants. nations banned smoking and you can't tell me that businesses would have done it voluntarily when they could go down the street and smoke erts smoke at the bar next door. it had to be done by a local government. >> i was in england at the time when the ban on smoking in clubs came out. people that didn't smoke paid a social call. it didn't stop people i knew from smoking smoking any. that said, if it is the case
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that bars would have kept smoking. if you don't want to be in a bar, whether smoking. you do not have to be in a bar. if you want to be in a restaurant. vividuals can make the choices. >> what about the store opener saying he'd lose 100,000 in business. this could hurt some people just as smoking hurts many. >> well, if he's making 100,000 on selling tobacco product when used as intended caused addiction, i think that guy better take a look at that schoens a little bit. and i like what c.b.s. did. they said "we are not going to sell tobacco any more. and they did it voluntarily. it's a great and wonderful thing showing leadership on the part of this great company c.b.s. pharmacy and health. >> it's an interesting debate. important topic.
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i'm glad both of you joined us tonight. >> we'll follow up on a story harmeli aregawi reported on wednesday. many muslims are upset after the county schoolboard refused to add the eid holy day to the list of official holidays. the board voted 7-1 to drop the names of all official holidays while keeping the days off intact. the schoolboard stripped designation of christmas, easter, and as a member of the muslim community, that is not what i'm looking for. i think they made a mistake. >> i'm joined from washington d.c. from the coe stair co-chair of the equality for eid. great to have you with us. you have compared the
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schoolboard to the grinch that stole christmas. what was your ideal outcome that they declare eid a holiday, with no school? >> all we were asking for was the board of education to designate september 23rd, 2015, which is a date schools were expected to be closed for the jewish holiday to grant equal billing to the muslim holiday of eid. and to acknowledge that schools will be closed for that day. there's a significantly large population within montgomery county and a lot of students affected by this. what the board of education did was they took all of us by surprise and removed all religious references from the calendar, which is not what we were expecting. >> i know you got the support from jews and christians - did the board overreact. >> we feel so. we think that they made a mistake. this is a decision they took
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upon themselves, without consulting with the public. we weren't asking them for this kind of response. it's unjust for them to punish other faith groups by removing their holidays from the calendar, when in actuality all we were trying to do was seek equality for muslim students attending montgomery public schools. >> a couple of counties don't call them by name, and public schools at montgomery county can't officially observe religious holidays. given that, could the board died in your favour. >> there are other school districts within the country that recognised the muslim holidays on their calendar. the general counsel, a legal counsel was present at the hearing on tuesday, and he admitted that all three options from the superintendent
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dr joshua star, he laid out to the member of the board of education, and amongst the optionsway to include the islamic holiday for schools being closed on september 23rd, 2015, as being a legal option. i don't know that that is a legitimate excuse for them to not grant accommodation. >> another argument is that religious holidays are supposed to be based on absenteeism, that they are granted because too many kids and teachers do not show up. there's a secular rational to having the days off. according to the schoolboard, absenteeism is around 5.6% of students, and 5% of teachers during eid last year. so that it's not much higher than a comparable day in the previous week, and not enough to cancel school. what do you say to that paint? >> i'm glad you brought that up. this is a point that the board
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of education is reiterating. our response is that a lot of parents did not keep their children home from school that day. to say it's an accurate measure of population of citizens in montgomery country schools is inaccurate. our other question or response is what is the quota. there was no quota clarified to fair to the counsel on islamic relations or the equality for eid, that the montgomery county or community was expected to reach. we didn't know what we were trying - what goal we were trying to reach. >> are you concerned about a backlash, and what do you plan to do next? >> absolutely. unfortunately that, is a significant concern that we have, that there's a sentiment that amongst the jewish and muslim communities, there are those that might feel that their holidays were removed, or the reference to their holidays were
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removed from the school calendar, because we were trying to seek equality from muslim students. part of what we have been able to do is educate folks, and that the boards took the position without consulting, and not in accordance with what we were speaking. we were planning to work with the board and set a criteria, for a specific criteria, to determine whether holidays could be added to the calendar. >> good of you to join us. >> thank you. >> time to see what is trending on the web. >> capitalizing on the viral and controversial cat-calling video, a marketing firm posted a clip called drunk girl in publishing, a social experiments. it read - we went out to
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hollywood boulevard to see how guys treat a drunken woman. she stum gd around with a can of beer. she ran into men, over which almost all tried to take her home. several publy occasions wrote about the clip saying: it turns out the video was a hoax, the men told it was a comedy sketch. a participate wrote on facebook that: another said:
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. >> let us no what you'd like to see featured in the digital spotlight people going too far to get videos to go viral. >> they are. >> coming up, the nazis next door, how the government allowed war criminals to come to the u.s. and stay here. we are told to go green, but we look at the pros and cons of recycling and soccer's international governing body accused of covering up corruption.
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we are learning about a shameful episode of american history in the aftermath of world war ii. for each of the 200 or so nazi war criminals tried during the nuremberg trials, dozens were
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allowed into the u.s. - some were doctors, scientists or spies act istly recruited -- actively recruited. many hid their past and aim as refugees. in an irony america opened the doors to thousands of nazis, while prisoners were in displaced persons camps, even after being supposedly libber other. eric is a pulitzer prize winning investigative reporter and author of "the nazis next door - how america became a safe haven for hitler's men." thank you for having us. we had annie jacobs on the show, writing "operation paperclip", and we talked about where the u.s. recruited top scientists, some were not, in order to develop our rockets and missile systems. >> sure. >> you found our activities of getting nazis here went further than that. >> it went behind the
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scientists. the most jarring aspect that i focused on were the c.i.a. spy, the nazi spies who were active high-ranking members of nazi ss, nazi collaborators, and were then hired and recruited by intelligence agencies like the c.i.a., army intelligence, with often full knowledge of their involvement in atrocities. >> one of the episodes that you describe is a meeting between alan dulize, the head of the c.i.a. and heinrich himmler, ss's right-hand man. >> chief of staff. general wolf, an amazing meeting. dulize, the top u.s. spy in switzerland, was meeting by the fireside, drinking scotch with himmler's former chief of staff, setting up the system to take millions to their death. >> and they protect him after the war. >> dulize store people like general wolf as moderate nazi,
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that's his word, believe it or not. and thought that that were of value in the upcoming cold war. the new enemy was the soviets. and they were left behind. >>. >> a lot of these people were no much help. >> no. often they were bad spies. not shockingly, they turned out to be distrust worthy, liars, embezzlers, cheats. i tell the story of a guy what was a top aid to one of highest people that you can get, would went on to be a c.i.a. spy in europe, on a spy mission from the c.i.a. and taking spy documents and photos on a train in austria, he switched his satchel with someone else's. he got to humm berg and realised there was pyjamas and toiletries, instead of spy
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matters. you and i might get fired. instead, he was brought to america. >> a lot of this happened in violation of american law. truman said that there was a decree that no nazi party members should be allowed to come. >> no ardent nazis. >> gave them a lot of roomful. >> yours definition of what is and isn't a nazi. the c.i.a. was using guys involved in atrocities, the fbi was using guys. not with such a straight forward acknowledgment that these were nazis, they'd use them as informants, saying they are not really nazis, the evidence is doctored by the soviets. they were not so straight forward about it. >> you talked about arthur rudolph who was involved, ran the factory. >> roct protection, yes. >> there would be two rockets, and was brought to the united
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states and involved. slave labour was used. who nose how many died. >> 10,000 or more. >> they were worked to death literally, and thousands and thousands of p.o.w.s killed building rockets. he came here, becoming part of the american system. he was probably the most famous nazi scientist in the space programme. >> a great quote. you described it that he served at the deaths of nazi depravty and the height of american achievement. >> exactly. he was regarded as a father of the saturn 5 space programme and it was in the early 1980s, that the justice department went after him and confronted him about his active involvement in these horrible slave labour production sites, and supposedly his story before that was that he was involved, he knew nothing about the horrible things. he admitted that i was the guy sending workers into the production facility.
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>> you described how the c.i.a. and fbi obstructed justice, and how many were pursued later in life. the biggest tragedy is how you describe that the germans, who were wore criminals, were brought over from germany - while many of the jus in concentration camps languished, not able to get out. >> that was the most disturbing thing for me, we had the nazis fleeing easily to america and elsewhere while the survivors, not just jews, but others were living in deplorable inhumane conditions. general paton was running the camps. he was rapidly anti-semitic and left the nazi prisoners lord over the hollow cost survivors in the camps, living in decrepit
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conditions with no food for months. this was liberation in name only really. >> it's an incredible story on a lot of levels. great to have you with us. >> thank you. >> the book:. >> coming up, a world cup scandal. f.i.f.a. accused by an investigator of a cover up in a report clearing future world cup countries of corruption. first, how much of a difference does recycling make. our data dive is next. in a once in a generation achievement of human ingenuity. >> three years late... fleet grounding... fires on the airplane... >> they're short changing the engineering process... >> from engineering to the factory floor... al jazeera investigates broken dreams: the boing 787 only on al jazera america
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today's data dive delves into green living. saturday is america re cycle day, events are planned to educate the public at recycling and benefits. how good are americans in going green. in 2013 we recycled a third of trash, and it has doubled. there are major benefits, you can produce 20 recyclable cans with the same power to make one from scratch. the energy saved in producing a recycling cancan leave a light bulb running for four hours or your tv tore two. it's important. we generate enormous amounts of waste. americans toss out enough office paper to build a 12-foot high wall from new york to los angeles. the aluminum is enough to
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rebuild the fleet of commercial airliners. over a lift the average american will generate 600 times the adult weight in garbage, leaving 4500 tonnes of trash for future generations. there's a backlash to recycling. one recycling plant in seattle is named among the north-west's top polluters. studies of oakland showed recycling center there were among the top polluters. many of the studies in favour of the recycling comes from the american plastic council, whose member benefit. the green movement has given manufacturers a way to market overconsumption as environmentalism. that report says many americans do not feel bad about consuming big qualities of plastic or cans because they'll be environmentally friendly by tossing them into the recycle
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bin. >> coming up, worldwide criticism of the world cup. soccer's governing body under fire for an alleged cover up hello, i'm david shuster in new york. coming up after "consider this", key stephen showdown. congress prepares a vote an a controversial pipeline. inside i.s.i.l., how they make money, recruit and how it's run. plus, feeding the homeless, why one veteran's mission is illegal, and the mysterious street art of banksy, a documentary tracking the street artist's work. all that coming up after "consider this".
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did soccer's international governing body commit a major
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foul. f.i.f.a.'s ethics judge cleared russia and qatar of corruption in the winning bid to host the next two world cups, f.i.f.a. is facing a backlash. the man that lead the 18 month investigation called the decision erroneous and incomplete and says he'll appeal. >> let's bring in dave zirin from silver springs maryland. he's an author. days after f.i.f.a. cleared itself of wrongdoing, a former u.s. prosecutor, michael garcia, said the judge misrepresented his investigation, everything he found, and f.i.f.a. goes from scandal to scandal even when it comes to investigating a scandal. >> frankly, you had me with the intro at f.i.f.a. judge - that's all you need to here. the f.i.f.a. judge in the f.i.f.a. court somehow cleared
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f.i.f.a. - the only f not present in that statement is the big f that was sent to soccer fans around the world who care about having a game that is aboveboard, and kudos to michael garcia for speaking out about this. that is what we need. i cannot think of an institution in global society that is both as important to people's lives as f.i.f.a., and yet also cloistered and in desperate need of whistleblowers. >> the head of englands football authority summed up what many felt. >> i think we were surprised by michael garcia, it has made a mockery of the whole process. if the person that did the investigation said the report did not reflect what he believed. i'm a bit shocked by it. most people are. >> i am sure he was unhappy because the judge came down hard on englands behaviour in a losing bit. >> exactly. >> the judge did find that
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russia had committed some violations, but not enough to compromise the verying rity of the bidding process. >> what is ridiculous is that there's so much smoke around this, for the judge to say there's no fire, you are ipp cred u louse looking at it on the face, particularly in the case of cuttar, where you are looking at a country already, where you had several thousand deaths of migrant labour ours, who came. >> the country, human rights organizations, amnesty international, all sorts saying it's a problem. then they raise a problem saying okay, if you have a country depending on labour practices to host the world cup, how did they get the bid in the first place. with russia as well, which hosted the socchi winter games and went over gjed by 40
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millions, and a big scandal in the history of international sport, how are they already hosting another international sporting event. you the how is what f.i.f.a. is saving us from. there's never been more scrutiny. people want answers and f.i.f.a. refuses to be transparent. >> in qatar. the deaths are in the hundreds, buts are projected to get to the thousands. the strongers was aimed at f.i.f.a.'s executive committee and six of the 22 people have been connected to a bunch of serious allegations of propriety. they have taken action to avoid this kind of aledged corruption -- alleged corruption
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happening again. >> what you have here, and we have seen it in other sports, ideals of transparency, and at the statement trying to -- at the same time trying to keep the steps as it is, is they give enough to keep the dogs at bay. when you take a step back and ask for the situation, who are the independent bodies overseeing the stuff. who are the groups of people trying to make sure there's no corruption. why is there not a division of labour between the people trying to sell the sport and grow the sport. and those trying to make sure that corruption is kept at a minimum. they are the fundamental reforms they don't want to see. instead, what we have seen, this is a dog and pony show, and it is derided across the landscape. >> and the fbi is looking into this. dave zirin, always good to see
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you. that's all for now, the conversation conditions on our website aljazeera.com, we are on facebook and twitter @ajconsiderthis, and tweet me @amoratv. see you next tyke. -- see you next time. i'm david shuster in new york. john seigenthaler is off. this is al jazeera america. [ chanting ] showdown - congress moves to take up the controversial keystone xl oil pipeline. service air - a scathing report on security blunders at the secret service. >> follow the money - how i.s.i.l. makes its millions, and why it's hard to stop it. >> and no good deed -

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